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peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	Help! cf350 2.3 diesel Hi I live in south west France and own a CF 350 Flat bed truck with a 2.3 diesel 1987 (French import Left hand drive) which I use for work. My Problem is I have owned the truck 2 years and its the only one I have seen here in that time and the local French garage seem to think it is some sort of Ford so I do all the work on it myself sourcing parts from UK. Since I have owned it it has always been difficult to start I have replaced the normal things heater plugs, filters, starter motor etc without much change. At the beginning of this week it failed to start and I noticed there was a leak from the injector pump head so I removed the pump striped the head off replaced the o ring and reassembled checking the timing (with a piece of steel rod as in an earlier post)bled to injectors and voila it still won't start recharged the battery tried with some gas started once it ran ok but after it got cold it wouldn't start again. Is this the end of a surprisingly Good Truck ( no rust or dents). Can someone Help Two things I have noticed is the truck has always been slow to turn over(even with new battery and starter motor) and with the injector pump this is quite difficult to turn is this normal? Any help would be much appreciated Thanks Mark ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Sat 17 Jul 2010 @ 19:33
philbradshaw Card Holder Posts : 2328 Location : Haslingden Status : Offline	Poor cold starting may be just slow cranking speed & that may be a poor earth. Try a jump lead straight from the battery negative terminal to the engine; if this improves cranking speed then suspect engine earth cable &/or battery earth cable or their connections. If cranking speed can be increased but cold starting still is poor & fuel delivery to the filter/s is good then suspect an air leak between the fuel filter & injection pump. Try renewing all the copper washers - 2 on each banjo union. ---------------------- What is real is not the external form but the essence of things. Constantin Brâncuşi
Sat 17 Jul 2010 @ 19:43
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	Thanks for the quick reply Have been down the connections road but decided it was a heavy old engine and perhaps I was expecting too much. Will get some copper washers when the shops open next but there is plenty getting to the injectors there is unspent fuel getting in to the air inlet when filters are out also the one air filter tends to get quite bad is that normal? Mark ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Sat 17 Jul 2010 @ 20:18
Gethin Moderator Posts : 4753 Location : Wesham. near Blackpool. Status : Offline	Sounds as the heater glow plugs have gone faulty. Have you checked to see if you have 12v at each glow-plug? If so then renew the set of 4 and engine should fire up There is a good crowd of Beddy owners over in France as well. Have a search through the members list to find them.. ---------------------- GETHIN........
Sat 17 Jul 2010 @ 21:01
petitrobin Card Holder Posts : 139 Location : Normandy, France Status : Offline	Gethin wrote: There is a good crowd of Beddy owners over in France as well. Have a search through the members list to find them.. Croeso Gethin. As you say, there are a small number of fairly dedicated enthusiasts in France, who get together and help each other out quite a lot. Our latest project was for Canal Plus, a national TV channel. Follow the link to see the van we built in 48 hours!!! bedfordvanclub.forumpro.fr/vie-public-de-l-association-f45/un-bedford-aux-guignols-ce-soir-t4365.htm (I'm not sure it will work for non-members, I'll have to get the link changed) PM sent Robin
Sun 18 Jul 2010 @ 15:34
Gethin Moderator Posts : 4753 Location : Wesham. near Blackpool. Status : Offline	Fantastic. Keep up the good work ---------------------- GETHIN........
Sun 18 Jul 2010 @ 19:57
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	Good news after changing the fuel pipes all the banjo washers managed to get her started also traced a fault with the glow plugs down to a relay on the front bulk head. Only problem now is there is a bad diesel knock that I can't seem to bleed out could it be due to the pump timing? Also are these relay's easy to find as I can't read the details on it? Thanks for the Input the French site is very interesting checked through the members but didn't see any in this region. ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Tue 20 Jul 2010 @ 22:31
philbradshaw Card Holder Posts : 2328 Location : Haslingden Status : Offline	Cold start relay on 2.3D about 83-on is a timer relay; can be substituted by any similar relay as long as time-out from cold is no more than 60 seconds. Injection pump timing too far advanced can cause excessive knock on all cylinders. Just one cylinder knocking may be excess fuel delivery (faulty injector) but could be a worn piston. ---------------------- What is real is not the external form but the essence of things. Constantin Brâncuşi
Tue 20 Jul 2010 @ 22:56
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	Thanks for the quick reply it sounds like the timing as all was ok before and it was getting dark when I fitted the pump.That will teach me to rush! ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Tue 20 Jul 2010 @ 23:16
petitrobin Card Holder Posts : 139 Location : Normandy, France Status : Offline	peillone wrote: Thanks for the Input the French site is very interesting checked through the members but didn't see any in this region. Where abouts are you exactly? I can put you on to someone close if you need. Robin
Wed 21 Jul 2010 @ 12:41
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	Rechecked timing it was slightly out but it won't start at all now just wish i had the hair to pull out! Could it be valve adjustment as i said earlier the air filter at the fan end is getting quite black and they are new filters! Is the rocker adjustment different on the latter models as it dosn't look the same as the manual? Robin thanks for the offer I am in south Lot-et-Garonne on the border of Landes and Gers Mark ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Fri 23 Jul 2010 @ 12:54
philbradshaw Card Holder Posts : 2328 Location : Haslingden Status : Offline	If an air filter is getting black on the bottom rather than the top then it could indicate intake valve/s leakage &/or exhaust valve/s not opening for long enough due to incorrect valve clearances. It also can happen if ether ('Easy Start') is sprayed into the intake to start the engine & it's fired on hot glow plugs before intake valves have closed. If the rocker pivot posts don't have 2 nuts for adjustment then look for a hexagon in the top of the posts: adjust clearances using an Allen key with this type (same as Frontera 2.3D). Not starting after running usually means that there's something amiss on the fuel side still. Check the regulator valve in the injection pump fuel feed (valve should be on the filter head outlet); it shouldn't blow through easily either way when removed but when refitted with the hose to the injection pump loose or detached it should pass fuel freely when the lift pump is operated (filter/s vented - valve ball won't lift without hydraulic pressure). ---------------------- What is real is not the external form but the essence of things. Constantin Brâncuşi
Fri 23 Jul 2010 @ 14:15
petitrobin Card Holder Posts : 139 Location : Normandy, France Status : Offline	peillone wrote: I am in south Lot-et-Garonne on the border of Landes and Gers Hi Mark, Here's the map of members. www.france-map.fr/france_map.php?id=261 The nearest I know personally, who has been running Bedfords for the last 25 years, is Christophe (Lesanges) who is in the Tarn. We'll be meeting up in the Tarn for a few days around the 10th of August if you're still in difficulty, and we have a great team of mobile mechanics... Robin
Fri 23 Jul 2010 @ 19:49
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	Checked the tappet gaps some of the inlets to tight to get a gauge in and some outlets to loose problem is unable to move the allen screw. If the rocker pivot posts don't have 2 nuts for adjustment then look for a hexagon in the top of the posts: adjust clearances using an Allen key with this type (same as Frontera 2.3D). TEXT Is there a lock nut I can't see or is it just a matter of a bit more brute force? ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Tue 27 Jul 2010 @ 19:51
philbradshaw Card Holder Posts : 2328 Location : Haslingden Status : Offline	Rocker posts are a tight fit in their threaded inserts in the cylinder head. If they won't move when using an Allen key then you may need to use a socket with an Allen key insert and a suitable bar. ---------------------- What is real is not the external form but the essence of things. Constantin Brâncuşi
Tue 27 Jul 2010 @ 21:16
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	The saga continues... Adjusted tappets (Used more force) today and once again tried to start managed to start just before the battery went flat with the help of a flame down the inlet. Problem now lots of smoke with excess unburnt fuel coming out of inlet.the tick over speed was very low. On the plus side no Fuel knock now. Seem to me theres way to much fuel and its flooding or the pump timing is out still. The 'regulator valve' is this the non return shown in the manual ( outlet of filter)as I don't have one?? But there is a different sort of 'non return' on the return outlet of the filter head. Hope this make sense Any ideas would be appreciated. Mark ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Wed 28 Jul 2010 @ 22:00
philbradshaw Card Holder Posts : 2328 Location : Haslingden Status : Offline	Is the firing order correct? Should be 1-3-4-2, No 1 at the front. The Opel diesel can run on 2 cylinders if 2 of the injector pipes have been swapped over. Other possibilities with fuel being blown into the air intake are an obstructed exhaust system or a damaged inlet valve or valve seat. Temporarily detach exhaust from manifold or silencer from front pipe (better for keeping cab clean) to check for obstructed system. Damaged valve or seat should show up from a cylinder compression test. Pump timing wrongly set shouldn't result in fuel entering the intake; if the engine runs at all then the timing wont be very far out. Correct non-return valve is a Pierburg diaphragm type common to all Bosch VE injection systems (Frontera 2.3D, VW etc.) - ---------------------- What is real is not the external form but the essence of things. Constantin Brâncuşi
Wed 28 Jul 2010 @ 23:56
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	I haven't got one of those! ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Thu 29 Jul 2010 @ 09:14
philbradshaw Card Holder Posts : 2328 Location : Haslingden Status : Offline	If the valve that is fitted will blow through one way but not the other then it's a CAV-type one-way valve that is unsuitable for the Bosch VE system. ---------------------- What is real is not the external form but the essence of things. Constantin Brâncuşi
Thu 29 Jul 2010 @ 09:49
peillone Card Holder Posts : 11 Location : s/w France Status : Offline	So where do I find one of these valves? Can't seem to track one down. ---------------------- A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Mon 02 Aug 2010 @ 12:48
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